Martin Attack?

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B-Thrash
Posts: 12
Joined: Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:41 am
Location: Summerton, SC USA
Martin Colony History: - First 24 compartment colony built in 1996 in Awendaw, SC.
- Just replaced a 32 compartment colony built in 2013.
- New 2022 colony has 40 compartments, made entirely of 1/2" PVC-Board.

This morning it seemed a PM was maybe stuck in an opening or being attacked on a porch, its wings fluttering about as if in distress! So I run out to the colony, with an extension pole to maybe assist. When I get there she's being ridden like a horse by another PM, so I slowly backed away to give them some privacy! I'd never seen them copulating before (nor seen photos) but seemed a bit rough. Guessing this is normal, right?
C.C.Martins
Posts: 3368
Joined: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:15 am
Location: Corpus Christi Tx
Martin Colony History: 2016- Visitors.
2017- 5 pair. 15 fledged
2018- 18 pair. 85 fledged
2019- 17 pair. 81 fledged
2020- 25 pair. 111 fledged
2021- 28 pair. 118 fledged
2022- 33 pair. 151 fledged
2023- 33 pair. 165 fledged
2024- 40 pair. 185 fledged
2025- 40 pair. 181 fledged
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Home colony: mix natural, super, Troyer and excluder gourds, enlarged compartment house. All SREH.

Satellite colony: Oso Bay Preserve: 49 PMCA excluder gourds; 16 room Lonestar Goliad with Modified Excluder entrances.
2019: Visitors
2020: 3 pair, 11 fledged
2021: 10 pair, 30 fledged
2022: 11 pair, 35 fledged
2023: 18 pair, 101 fledged
2024: 39 pair, 181 fledged
2025: 51 pair, 216 fledged
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It may have been a martin in the entrance trying to keep an intruder out? Sometimes the ones in the cavity will grab the other birds legs, wings, tail feathers etc to dissuade them.
Good looking out and observation. If it were copulation, probably was, those can be violent events. Not too much we can do unless the female becomes grounded.
A good house sparrow is a dead house sparrow.
HOSP: 17. Starlings: 23
birdman in buckhead
Posts: 181
Joined: Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:47 am
Location: Small Town Buckhead, GA (not ATL Buckhead)
Martin Colony History: 2018: 1 pair, 5 fledged
2019: 3 pairs, 10 fledged
2020: 3 pairs, 13 fledged
2021: 13 pairs, 46 fledged
2022: 22 pairs, 89 fledged
2023: 20 pairs, 85 fledged
2024: 18 pairs, 80 fledged
2025: 17 pairs, 80 fledged

:lol: HA Very good description of the event! Did they smoke a cig afterwards? LOL!
GEAUX TIGERS!

Cheers!
Terry
flyin-lowe
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Location: Indiana/Henry Co.

I’m guessing it’s more likely a stuck bird or a bird in distress than mating behavior. Many animals seem to “flip a switch” when they see an animal in distress. I have watched as a sparrow sits on a house and none of the martins acknowledge it’s there. Then I shoot the sparrow and they will mob it as it falls to the ground. I’ve also seen wing entrapped martins look like they are getting mobbed. It would be hard to say if the other martins are in attack mode or if they are trying to help…
2026 HOSP 28
2025 62 pair HOSP 20
2024 60 pair, HOSP 44
2023 60+ pair, HOSP 8
2022 60 nests with 262 eggs, HOSP 14
2021 62 pair, HOSP 9
2020 42 nest, HOSP 8
2019- 31 pair
2018- 15 pair 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair, 12 eggs , fledged 10. 4 additional lone SY's
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair 14 fledged.
SSMartin
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Joined: Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:05 pm
Location: FL

I have witnessed plenty of forced copulations. Tends to be a sub male and ends up on the ground with 3-5 other martins seemingly trying to assist the female by knocking the eager male off. I have seen it during the heavy morning socializing. I have never seen this until this year, and wonder if this is more common in larger colonies.

I now take note when this happens because it is a perfect opportunity for a bird of prey to take advantage of the commotion and the birds on the ground.
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