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wroeske22
Posts: 23
Joined: Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:08 pm
Location: Granger, NY
Martin Colony History: 2021: lots of visitors, no takers. 74 starlings eliminated.
2022: visitors, no takers. 139 starlings and 1 HOSP eliminated.
2023: Subadult male showed a lot of interest. Tried to attract a mate from the end of May to the beginning of July. He’d go out daily and bring martins back to no avail, one time bringing back 8 other martins squaking and showing off his gourd. 61 starlings and 6 house sparrows eliminated.
2024: visitors, no takers. 82 starlings and 3 HOSP eliminated.
2025: Repeat of 2023 SY male tried hard for a couple months, no luck. 69 starlings and 7 HOSP eliminated.

Hello,
I am new to the forum and new to attracting purple martins. I built a T-14 Martin house in January and recently added 6 Royal Wing gourds with tunnels. I began with round holes thinking I could control the Starlings, I was quick to find out that it is impossible to do, I now have Conley II’s on the T-14 and they have not been breached. The tree swallows and blue birds have not been a problem, they have there own boxes. The blue birds like to perch on the top of the house but show zero interest in the holes.
I have had a speaker mounted on our house pointed across the valley toward the active colony’s since the beginning of May. On June 1st I attached a speaker to the Martin house pointing straight up, in the morning on June 2nd I had my first SY male visitor. He checked out a few holes and flew off, after that I decided to cut the wire to the first speaker mounted on our house. Today, June 7th a second visitor came and stayed from 1:00-1:40, he checked out all the different holes and seemed to be looking for the source of the martin songs.
I have 6 fake nests built and mud smears on the entrances. I am here to ask if I should put up decoys and maybe some mirrors? And if there is anything I should change or make sure I do to try and keep the visitors? Or should I just be patient.

P.S. I am in western NY.
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Jones4381
Posts: 830
Joined: Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:54 pm
Location: Southwestern VA
Martin Colony History: 2020- 0
2021- 1 pair-5
2022- 5 pair-20
2023 34 pair-44
2024 30 pair-122
2025 54 Pair -178

Nice Set up. Decoys would be good. Eliminate any invasive birds and you'll get em to start colonizing there.
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randyM
Posts: 254
Joined: Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:30 pm
Location: Long Lake SD
Martin Colony History: * 2016 - 1 pair (ASYM + SYF) 2/3 eggs hatched 2 young fledged.
* 2017 - 4 pairs, 16/17 eggs hatched, 16 fledged, 16 banded - 2 banded SY returned in 2018 (12.5%)
* 2018 - 10 pairs, 46/52 eggs hatched, 45 fledged, 29 young banded - 3 banded SY returned in 2019 (10.3%)
*2019 - 32 pairs, 145/160 eggs hatched, 139 fledged - 87 young banded - 12 banded SY returned in 2020 (13.8%).
* 2020 - 35 pairs, 180/199 eggs hatched, 178 fledged - 150 young banded & 42 SY returned (28.0%)
* 2021 - 89 pairs, 363/446 eggs hatched, 355 fledged - 150 young banded & 19 SY returned (12.7%)
*2022 - 116 pairs, 495/579 eggs hatched, 471 fledged - 150 young banded & 27 SY returned (18.0%)
*2023 - 160 pairs, 708/828 eggs hatched, 572 fledged - 150 young banded & 38 SY returned (25.3%)
*2024 - 235 pairs, 950/1153 eggs hatched, 865 fledged - 100 young banded & 18 SY returned (18.0%)
*2025 - 200 pairs, 795/953 eggs hatched, 739 fledged - 200 young banded

Welcome aboard!!

A few decoys would be a good addition, but mostly be patient. Many folks wait 3-5 years to get their first nesting pair. It is a very good sign that you've had visitors already in your first year. I would play the dawn song or daytime chatter CD through the month of June. If you don't attract a pair by early July, you likely won't have a nesting pair this year. However, I'd also suggest playing the CD during the fall migration (month of August in the north) to attract the attention of first year migrants that may remember your site on their return migration next spring.

Best of luck to you!
wroeske22
Posts: 23
Joined: Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:08 pm
Location: Granger, NY
Martin Colony History: 2021: lots of visitors, no takers. 74 starlings eliminated.
2022: visitors, no takers. 139 starlings and 1 HOSP eliminated.
2023: Subadult male showed a lot of interest. Tried to attract a mate from the end of May to the beginning of July. He’d go out daily and bring martins back to no avail, one time bringing back 8 other martins squaking and showing off his gourd. 61 starlings and 6 house sparrows eliminated.
2024: visitors, no takers. 82 starlings and 3 HOSP eliminated.
2025: Repeat of 2023 SY male tried hard for a couple months, no luck. 69 starlings and 7 HOSP eliminated.

Thanks, I will get a couple decoys.

Once I get a bird that stays through the night should I continue to play the dawn song 24/7?
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Archer
Posts: 786
Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:09 pm
Location: Manitoba/Altona
Martin Colony History: six pair in 2014, have grown to 52 pairs in 2017.

I would advise to not put the decoys in a prominent position such as your top perch. New martins to a site can feel threatened by the decoys. Placing a decoy further down on the house or with one head sticking out of a hole would not be at threatening to new martins. Overall watch their reaction to the decoys, and make adjustments accordingly. Nice site for martins.
2011- first year trying, a few visitors.
2012-One ASY pair, raised two young, lots of subby visitors. So thankfull.
2013-daily subby visits.
2014-Six SY pairs
2015-18 pair, 83 fledglings
2016-36 pair, 147 fledglings
2017-52 pairs, 192 fledglings.
2018-60 pair, 246 fledglings.
2019-59 pair, 238 fledglings.
2020-62 pair.
2021-65 pair.
2022-63 pair.
2023-60 pair
2024-62 pair
randyM
Posts: 254
Joined: Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:30 pm
Location: Long Lake SD
Martin Colony History: * 2016 - 1 pair (ASYM + SYF) 2/3 eggs hatched 2 young fledged.
* 2017 - 4 pairs, 16/17 eggs hatched, 16 fledged, 16 banded - 2 banded SY returned in 2018 (12.5%)
* 2018 - 10 pairs, 46/52 eggs hatched, 45 fledged, 29 young banded - 3 banded SY returned in 2019 (10.3%)
*2019 - 32 pairs, 145/160 eggs hatched, 139 fledged - 87 young banded - 12 banded SY returned in 2020 (13.8%).
* 2020 - 35 pairs, 180/199 eggs hatched, 178 fledged - 150 young banded & 42 SY returned (28.0%)
* 2021 - 89 pairs, 363/446 eggs hatched, 355 fledged - 150 young banded & 19 SY returned (12.7%)
*2022 - 116 pairs, 495/579 eggs hatched, 471 fledged - 150 young banded & 27 SY returned (18.0%)
*2023 - 160 pairs, 708/828 eggs hatched, 572 fledged - 150 young banded & 38 SY returned (25.3%)
*2024 - 235 pairs, 950/1153 eggs hatched, 865 fledged - 100 young banded & 18 SY returned (18.0%)
*2025 - 200 pairs, 795/953 eggs hatched, 739 fledged - 200 young banded

I'd suggest playing the martin CD from an hour or so before sunrise until dark. I would not play it over night, but have done so my self when I was on vacation for a week in the past before my colony was established, as I did not have a timer on my CD player. When you have martins visiting your site, I would turn the volume down a bit. I played the martin CD every day, all day, for the 3-4 weeks a SY male stayed at my housing 5 years ago...he didn't seem to mind the constant playback. I believe the same bird came back the next year as an ASY bird and attracted a mate and successfully fledged their young. I played the CD all nesting season and during spring and fall migration. The pair didn't seem to mind the decoys or CD at all. The next year I had 4 nesting pairs and again played the CD all nesting season and during the spring and fall migration. Having a well-established colony now, I only play the CD during the fall migration to attract hatch-year birds heading south in hopes they remember my site during their return trip north the following spring.
Robert Anderson
Posts: 32
Joined: Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:22 am
Location: Mt. Pleasant, IA
Martin Colony History: 2018: 0 pair
2019: 0 pair
2020: 0 pair: 1 ASY male visitor
2021: 3 pair: 13 eggs

wroeske22 wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:39 pm
Hello,
I am new to the forum and new to attracting purple martins. I built a T-14 Martin house in January and recently added 6 Royal Wing gourds with tunnels. I began with round holes thinking I could control the Starlings, I was quick to find out that it is impossible to do, I now have Conley II’s on the T-14 and they have not been breached. The tree swallows and blue birds have not been a problem, they have there own boxes. The blue birds like to perch on the top of the house but show zero interest in the holes.
I have had a speaker mounted on our house pointed across the valley toward the active colony’s since the beginning of May. On June 1st I attached a speaker to the Martin house pointing straight up, in the morning on June 2nd I had my first SY male visitor. He checked out a few holes and flew off, after that I decided to cut the wire to the first speaker mounted on our house. Today, June 7th a second visitor came and stayed from 1:00-1:40, he checked out all the different holes and seemed to be looking for the source of the martin songs.
I have 6 fake nests built and mud smears on the entrances. I am here to ask if I should put up decoys and maybe some mirrors? And if there is anything I should change or make sure I do to try and keep the visitors? Or should I just be patient.

P.S. I am in western NY.
Patience worked for me. Finally have a nesting pair (fingers crossed) in 4th year of offering housing.
2018: 0 pair
2019: 0 pair
2020: 0 pair: 1 ASY male visitor
2021: 3 pair: 13 eggs

16 S&K Bo 9 double stacked gourds; 8 PMCA Excluder Gourds; 2 Trio metal houses converted from 12 units down to 6.
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