Bluejay Shortage

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Hanover Bill
Posts: 657
Joined: Thu May 14, 2009 3:10 pm
Location: Pennsylvania/Hanover Township
Martin Colony History: 2009 & 10 - 0
2011 & 12 - Visitors
2013 - 2 pr. fledged 9
2014 - 3 pr. fledged 13
2015 - 7 pr. fledged 27
2016 - 15 pr. fledged 72

This is off the Purple Martin topic for a second, but has anyone out there noticed a shortage of Bluejays at their feeders this winter.

I usually have lots of them, but not this year. Other regular feeder visitors have been here in their normal numbers, lots of Cardinals and all of the others, but the Bluejays are noticeable by their absence.

I was wondering if there is something affecting their numbers or if my situation is just an anomaly of my location.

Would be interested in feedback.

Hanover Bill.
2009 & 10 - 0
2011 & 12 - Visitors
2013 - 2 pr. fledged 9
2014 - 3 pr. fledged 13
2015 - 7 pr. fledged 27
2016 - 15 pr. fledged 72
jeffwilliams72
Posts: 267
Joined: Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:22 am
Location: Indiana/Carthage

Bill, I thought the same thing last year "where are my Blue Jays?"
They have been here all winter this year, though.
I do know West Nile Virus can be hard on them. They also seem to travel in nomadic bands.
Maybe they are all hanging out somewhere else in your area. I was worried last year, but they are back at my place burning up the peanuts full force.
Have you been offering peanuts in the shell? I can be out of peanuts for a week, and 10 mins. after putting them out, here come the Blue Jays! They are very smart,members of the crow family, so it's no wonder.
2008/1st pair/ 4 fledged
2009-2010 visitors only
2011/2 pr/9 eggs/8 fledged
2012/9pr/33 fledged
2013/27pr/101 fledged
Don Strickland
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Location: Oklahoma/Shady Point

Bill,
No shortage down here in my neck of the woods.
Don
Louise Chambers
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Location: Corpus Christi, TX

No Blue Jays at all in south TX, they do not come this far south and I miss them. But - a lot of our normal winter birds never showed up at feeders this year, and we are guessing it's due to such mild weather further north.

Winters usually bring us all kinds of neat native sparrows, especially Lincoln's - but have only seen a couple. Lots of white-crowned, some savannahs. A few Lark Buntings, Vesper and Lark Sparrows, Chipping and Clay-colored, but not many.

We had more hummingbirds than usual this winter too - Annas, rufous/allens, Broad-tails. But when weather got colder several weeks ago, they left. :cry:
Carlton
Posts: 1959
Joined: Tue May 17, 2005 6:42 pm
Location: Florida/Deerfield Beach
Martin Colony History: I moved to South Florida, from Delaware, in August of 2015.

I care for a 6 condo Sunset House as well as two Deluxe Gourd Racks, with 24 Chirpynest/Excluder gourds, along a canal in Pompano Beach, Florida.


At Quiet Waters Park, nearby in Deerfield Beach, I care for a Deluxe Gourd Rack with 12 TVG's. I also care for a Deluxe Gourd rack with 12 Excluder gourds with Modified Excluder entrances. I am substituting 6 Chirpynest boxes for 6 of the Conley II entranced gourds in 2026.

At another local park, Tradewinds Park in Coconut Creek, I care for a Trendsetter 12, 5 gourds rack with 60 Excluder gourds with Modified Excluder Entrances and 1 Deluxe Gourd Rack with 12 Troyer Vertical Gourds with Starling Stoppers over the Conley II's to keep out smaller starlings.

We have lots of blue jays here in urban South FL. They really are the sentinels of the bird world! I think they like the live oak acorns in this area.
Hugh Criswell
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Joined: Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:30 am
Location: MILLEDGEVILLE GA

i live in central georgia and i have noticed over the past 10 or 15 years that during the spring and summer i have seen fewer and fewr Bluejays nesting in my area.They were every where when i was a boy growing up. Not sure what has caused a decline in my area.
Hanover Bill
Posts: 657
Joined: Thu May 14, 2009 3:10 pm
Location: Pennsylvania/Hanover Township
Martin Colony History: 2009 & 10 - 0
2011 & 12 - Visitors
2013 - 2 pr. fledged 9
2014 - 3 pr. fledged 13
2015 - 7 pr. fledged 27
2016 - 15 pr. fledged 72

Thanks for all of the good replies to my post. I am thinking that perhaps it's just a quirk of nature, and the Bluejays will be back full force soon in my area. They certainly are a beautiful bird when placed against a backdrop of freshly fallen snow.

Just so the Martins show up this year in my back yard. Hoping this will be my year.

Good luck to all with your Martins.

Hanover Bill.
2009 & 10 - 0
2011 & 12 - Visitors
2013 - 2 pr. fledged 9
2014 - 3 pr. fledged 13
2015 - 7 pr. fledged 27
2016 - 15 pr. fledged 72
Carlton
Posts: 1959
Joined: Tue May 17, 2005 6:42 pm
Location: Florida/Deerfield Beach
Martin Colony History: I moved to South Florida, from Delaware, in August of 2015.

I care for a 6 condo Sunset House as well as two Deluxe Gourd Racks, with 24 Chirpynest/Excluder gourds, along a canal in Pompano Beach, Florida.


At Quiet Waters Park, nearby in Deerfield Beach, I care for a Deluxe Gourd Rack with 12 TVG's. I also care for a Deluxe Gourd rack with 12 Excluder gourds with Modified Excluder entrances. I am substituting 6 Chirpynest boxes for 6 of the Conley II entranced gourds in 2026.

At another local park, Tradewinds Park in Coconut Creek, I care for a Trendsetter 12, 5 gourds rack with 60 Excluder gourds with Modified Excluder Entrances and 1 Deluxe Gourd Rack with 12 Troyer Vertical Gourds with Starling Stoppers over the Conley II's to keep out smaller starlings.

I do know that the West Nile Virus attacks crows and jays. It might be having some effect on the numbers of such.
John Miller
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Location: St. Louis, MO

I see them around St. Louis...was attending a birding lecture a while back and heard an interesting story.

Blue jays nest in Forest Park, an urban park here, and a birder observed them using the plastic moulding off cans of six-pack aluminum beverage cans as scaffolding for their nests. He said that in a forested area of the park in spring, he'd look up and see a blue jay flying over with the moulding in its beak. Of course this urban trash is a hazard to wildlife, but the jays were making use of it.

john m
Tim Stover
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Location: Tennesse/Madisonville

no shortage here in madisonville Tn my two cents
2009 2pair 2010 24pair 2011 106 pair
2012 124 pair
2013 145
2014 170 pair
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Donnie Hurdt MN
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Joined: Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:14 pm
Location: North Prairie, MN

Not many around my neck of the woods either and thats perfectly fine with me.
PMCA member and Martin fanatic....
2011 A pair of subbies fledged three young but none returned in 2012 :-(
2015 One Pair of subbies came and stayed a few nits but got chased away by Bluebirds and Tree swallows. :-(
2017 0ne pair of subbies nested and fledged 4 young
2018 Tree Swallows AGAIN chased away any martins that wanted to nest :evil:
2019 Same old story................ :-(
Wendell Hansen-IA
Posts: 83
Joined: Mon Apr 11, 2005 12:06 am
Location: Iowa / Spirit Lake

the West Nile Virus did hit the jays hard all over the US. The good part is that they are making a come back. There was a time that I did not like them any were around my feeders or even in the yard.

About four years ago I watch a jay fly down and kill and eat a house sparrow. Since then I have seen them kill and eat about 12 or so. The jays like to go after the ones that have just fledg.

Now I look at them as one of the good guys, and put out extra peanuts in the shell just for the jays for a job well done.
PM Fanatic and proud Landlord. My goal is 100 pairs and 100 landlords.
Carlton
Posts: 1959
Joined: Tue May 17, 2005 6:42 pm
Location: Florida/Deerfield Beach
Martin Colony History: I moved to South Florida, from Delaware, in August of 2015.

I care for a 6 condo Sunset House as well as two Deluxe Gourd Racks, with 24 Chirpynest/Excluder gourds, along a canal in Pompano Beach, Florida.


At Quiet Waters Park, nearby in Deerfield Beach, I care for a Deluxe Gourd Rack with 12 TVG's. I also care for a Deluxe Gourd rack with 12 Excluder gourds with Modified Excluder entrances. I am substituting 6 Chirpynest boxes for 6 of the Conley II entranced gourds in 2026.

At another local park, Tradewinds Park in Coconut Creek, I care for a Trendsetter 12, 5 gourds rack with 60 Excluder gourds with Modified Excluder Entrances and 1 Deluxe Gourd Rack with 12 Troyer Vertical Gourds with Starling Stoppers over the Conley II's to keep out smaller starlings.

Has anyone ever seen a Florida Jay? They are quite rare. To me they almost look like a cross between a Blue Jay and a Mockingbird.
Louise Chambers
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Joined: Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:07 pm
Location: Corpus Christi, TX

The wonderful Florida Scrub Jays :grin: I am a big fan of all types of jays and crows. I dropped some peanuts for the FL guys... there are western scrub jays too. The FL ones are threatened or possibly endangered, I think.
Martin man RI
Posts: 441
Joined: Sun Dec 14, 2003 7:04 pm
Location: MA/RI area

From what i have been told there food supply (egg corns)
has crashed and along with it many bluejay have perished over winter
have not seen a bluejay in over 2 months none at all. The hawks that feed on them in the spring will have to change there diet to other mid size birds
hope its not Martins. I dont pay much attention to jays so I cannot say for sure that this happens alot. Its very weird.
~Ray~Gingerich
Posts: 2122
Joined: Mon Jan 05, 2004 10:24 pm
Location: Delaware/Dover

Noticed the same thing here, very few blue jays. Same thing happened to the crows but they have started to make a comeback the last 2 years it seems.
~Ray~ Gingerich
1999 1pair, 2006 2 pair, 2008 2 pair,
2009 23 pair, 2010 39 pair, 2011 67 pair,
2012 115 pair, 2013 160 pair,
2014 152 pair, 2015 174 pair, 2016 178 pair
2017 187 pair, 2018 200 pair, 2019 171pair
2020 233 pair
Carlton
Posts: 1959
Joined: Tue May 17, 2005 6:42 pm
Location: Florida/Deerfield Beach
Martin Colony History: I moved to South Florida, from Delaware, in August of 2015.

I care for a 6 condo Sunset House as well as two Deluxe Gourd Racks, with 24 Chirpynest/Excluder gourds, along a canal in Pompano Beach, Florida.


At Quiet Waters Park, nearby in Deerfield Beach, I care for a Deluxe Gourd Rack with 12 TVG's. I also care for a Deluxe Gourd rack with 12 Excluder gourds with Modified Excluder entrances. I am substituting 6 Chirpynest boxes for 6 of the Conley II entranced gourds in 2026.

At another local park, Tradewinds Park in Coconut Creek, I care for a Trendsetter 12, 5 gourds rack with 60 Excluder gourds with Modified Excluder Entrances and 1 Deluxe Gourd Rack with 12 Troyer Vertical Gourds with Starling Stoppers over the Conley II's to keep out smaller starlings.

I think all the crows are here in South FL. Ray. We have both the American Crow and the Fish Crow. Sometimes I see flocks of hundred of them. Lots of black vultures too especially around the waterways looking for fish and around the city dumps.
RC Moser
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Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2003 3:25 am

BlueJays's have good points and some bad. The rob robin nests and other song bird nests. While they are pretty, make some very interesting and distinctive chatter (like hawks), and are good hawk watchers. IMO they are very destructive also. So as with about everything in nature what we see may not be what we think we see. It's not just sparrows they are killing.
Annie G
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Joined: Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:09 pm
Location: Wisconsin/Portage

Bill, Yes I have noticed a big drop of blues at my feeder. Last year I had about 20 coming daily to my feeders. I put out peanut rejects and they love them. This year I've seen maybe 6 at the most at one time. ??? Annie
Keep trying and keep your chin up, its easier to see the martins coming!!
Don Troha
Posts: 367
Joined: Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:14 pm
Location: Texas/Houston

No shortage of Blue Jays here. I just watched a pair of them chase off a
hawk that was perched in a tree next door. Okay with me because there
are PMs cruising the skies. The Blue Jays help keep the hawks away.
2025 - 15 pair, 56 fledged
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