First Time Landlord Questions

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Jangles
Posts: 24
Joined: Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:26 am
Location: Northeast Houston, TX

Hello all. First time landlord, but I've spent a lot of blood, sweat and tears getting ready for some Martins. Built a T-14 in my shop, and I attached it to a custom 18 foot metal pole I designed and had fabricated at a local metal shop (pictures attached). The pole has a winch attached, so I can check on the birds and adjust the house. Also, I added some molded plastic inserts from... somewhere, can't remember which website.... that make it possible to open a round hole or a crescent SREH hole. Lastly, I have decoys up on top of the house, 2 of them, and I plan on playing the Purple Martin dawn song and daytime chatter when SYs come in.

And in case you're wondering, I do plan on adding predator baffles. That's next on my list.

Having said all of this, I have some questions I was hoping someone could answer, someone more knowledgeable than I on Purple Martins:

-I've read I should not try SREH holes the first year because they won't bother until they achieve site fidelity. Is this right? I do have starlings in the area. Could I try opening the round holes and then changing them to SREH after the birds make their home?

-How should I open up the compartments? I keep watching the scout survey and waiting to see yellow in my area, Northeast Houston. Once I do, should I open up one apartment per unit and be prepared to kick out Sparrows daily? Or should I keep everything closed until I see Martins landing on the unit. My wife and I both work, so I have very limited windows to check on the house during daylight hours, mostly just evenings. And then do I always keep the same number open over time? So if I have 4 open and three are taken today, then I open 3 more tonight to keep 4 open at all times?

-If and when I do get Purple Martins, I'm assuming I won't hit capacity the first year. Should I close off all apartments that are not occupied by Martins after the SYs have made it through?

Thanks for the help!
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2016 - First attempted year as landlord. homemade T-14 on custom pole with winch. Fingers crossed.
Louise Chambers
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You can start a new site with SREH holes, many have done that. You could convert most and keep a few round holes too.
You can open some entrances now and hope to attract adult martins that either did not nest last year, or are looking for new home (old home removed, had failure at old site, etc). Use the time to trap house sparrows and perhaps starlings. Open those that you can see easily for now.
Good time to open some is right now - good luck.
Jangles
Posts: 24
Joined: Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:26 am
Location: Northeast Houston, TX

Thanks for the response. I took your advice and opened up 3 SREH holes last night. Haven't seen any Martins around this year, but maybe 'll get lucky.
2016 - First attempted year as landlord. homemade T-14 on custom pole with winch. Fingers crossed.
flyin-lowe
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Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:49 am
Location: Indiana/Henry Co.

Do you have any martin colonies close by? If not you could get a copy of the "dawn song" CD. It is one of the best tools to draw martins in to a new location. If you have neighbors or active colonies close by the martins will spot that house and check it out. Many people start new colonies with SREH, and a huge number of martins fledge from colonies with SREH so that is all they know.
2026 HOSP 29
2025 62 pair HOSP 20
2024 60 pair, HOSP 44
2023 60+ pair, HOSP 8
2022 60 nests with 262 eggs, HOSP 14
2021 62 pair, HOSP 9
2020 42 nest, HOSP 8
2019- 31 pair
2018- 15 pair 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair, 12 eggs , fledged 10. 4 additional lone SY's
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair 14 fledged.
Jangles
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Joined: Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:26 am
Location: Northeast Houston, TX

This is a great point. Thanks for bringing it up.

I do have the dawn song CD. I actually just converted it into MP3 on my iPod to play it through a loud speaker outside, though I haven't started playing it yet (hopefully tomorrow morning). I hear 4-6 AM is the ideal time. Is this when they migrate?

I also own the daytime chatter cd, and I plan on playing that one while I am away at work. Probably put it on a timer, maybe from 8-noon or something. Sound about right?

And I would be happy to make only SREH holes available as I want to protect my Martins, but I've read this deters them if it's their first year, though both of y'alls responses is leading me to question that notion.
2016 - First attempted year as landlord. homemade T-14 on custom pole with winch. Fingers crossed.
Mhoover
Posts: 213
Joined: Wed May 30, 2012 10:30 am
Location: Indiana/Monticello - White County
Martin Colony History: Started with 2 pair in 2014 - 7 eggs -7 fledged

I started my colony with SREH entrances and I am probably the only one in this immediate area that uses them. If the martins want in the cavity they will go in. It may take them a few minutes to figure out how to do it but they are soon going in and out smoothly.
Good Luck.
2017-5 pair
2016-4 pair- 18 hatched-18 fledged
2015-1 pair -Both ASY- 6 eggs-5 fledged
2014-2 pair- 1 ASY-M/SY-F-1 ASY pair - 7 eggs-7 fledged

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Jangles
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Location: Northeast Houston, TX

Thank you Mhoover.
2016 - First attempted year as landlord. homemade T-14 on custom pole with winch. Fingers crossed.
Archer
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Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:09 pm
Location: Manitoba/Altona
Martin Colony History: six pair in 2014, have grown to 52 pairs in 2017.

Many people have faced a little SREH anxiety, this recent post will help. https://www.purplemartin.org/forum/view ... =2&t=32808
2011- first year trying, a few visitors.
2012-One ASY pair, raised two young, lots of subby visitors. So thankfull.
2013-daily subby visits.
2014-Six SY pairs
2015-18 pair, 83 fledglings
2016-36 pair, 147 fledglings
2017-52 pairs, 192 fledglings.
2018-60 pair, 246 fledglings.
2019-59 pair, 238 fledglings.
2020-62 pair.
2021-65 pair.
2022-63 pair.
2023-60 pair
2024-62 pair
Insectivore Villa
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Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2016 4:55 pm
Location: Blenheim, Ontario

Started my colony 6 years ago with with two T tens and not a clue as to what I was doing. The first year we got nine pairs, 2nd year 16, third 19, and it has just kept going. All SREH, no round holes. It is a tough leap of faith to wait and watch as they figure out the SREH, but they do. Keep one round hole open for piece of mind, but keep that pellet gun or whatever handy because you are gonna need it.
Good luck, they are right around the corner for us hopefully.
Henry W.
2015, 28 pair, 102 fledged
2016, 39 pair, 154 fledged
2017, 44 pair, 164 fledged
2018, 68 pair, 218 fledged
Jangles
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Joined: Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:26 am
Location: Northeast Houston, TX

Y'all inspire a lot of confidence about the SREHs. I'm convinced.

Thanks for all the input.
2016 - First attempted year as landlord. homemade T-14 on custom pole with winch. Fingers crossed.
handyman315
Posts: 300
Joined: Thu May 12, 2016 11:03 am
Location: SW Ohio
Martin Colony History: Colony established May 20, 2017 after three unsuccessful years. Persistent and aggressive Tree Swallows plagued the site, but beyond learning - and practicing - to control them, was the return in 2017 of a 2016-SY-M previously unable to find a mate. As a handsome ASY-M, he brought along two females and a swagger that soon put the Tree Swallow issue to rest. As the anchor pair, he and his mate hatched all six of their eggs into fat and healthy babies into what settled in to be a three-pair, flourishing new colony with up to 11 birds total, including 3 SY-M trouble makers.

Had the same angst over SREHs as I continue to struggle to establish a PM colony, but SREHs have NOT been my problem.

Just as the more senior members say, the PMs figure it out, e.g., I'm retired and have the time to watch and they do just that, i.e., figure it out. At first, you'll see the PMs kinda hunker down and in they go and out they pop, pretty soon without even the noticeable hunker down.

Starlings will be a MUCH bigger problem without SREHs!

Beautiful house. Good luck.
2023-42 Nests, 197 Eggs/Babies
2022-48 Nests Fledged 203
2021-43 Nests Fledged 185
2020-31 Nests Fledged 133, three early deaths due to cold & rain
2019-19 Nests Fledged 84
2018-11 Nests Fledged 48, ASY-M Arrived April 6, Despite Snow & Cold, Joined Soon by Mate & Two Adult Pairs
2017-3 Nests Fledged 13, FIRST-YEAR LANDLORD! Resident SY-M from 2016 Returned (as ASY-M) on May 20. At Least 11 Adult Residents
2016 Late-Arriving SYs, Resident Lone SY-M
2015-14 Many Visits
avesrun
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Joined: Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:10 pm
Location: Iowa/West Des Moines
Martin Colony History: Home Site: 2017- 0
2016 - 1st pair, fledged 5
Satellite Site: 2017 (3rd season)
34 pair
Fledged- 102

What Handyman said! Looks like you're in a residential area so starlings will/may drive you crazy with ANY round holes. Took me 5 years but finally got nesters using all sreh. One year I decided to have a few round holes and I switched them back in less than 48 hours! Lol! Starling air rats took to em like white on rice! Very nice looking t14 with owl guards. Best of 2017 to you,
TimG
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Home Site: 2012-15 visitors
2016 - 1st pair, fledged 5
2017-18 Zero
2019- 3 Successful Pr
2020- 21pr, fledged 76
Satellite Site: 2014 - visitors
2015 - 2 pair fledged 9
2016 - 13 pair fledged 44
2017 - 31 pair fledged 118
2018 - 44 pair 163 fledged
2019- 49 pr 219 fledged
2020- 47 pr 209 fledged
Retpsub
Posts: 39
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:13 pm
Location: Houston (Far west side)/Texas

Jangles, Check my post on Mar 14 "Houston Area". In about 20 years of martins this year is about my worst. Still have only 3 birds that come in each night. Wish there were more but that's ok for now. Others in the Houston area seem to be having a normal year but that can change for me quickly. Hang in and keep looking for them. The first year will probably be your hardest. *BW*
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Jangles
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Joined: Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:26 am
Location: Northeast Houston, TX

Retpsub, I actually read that post just yesterday. Wonder what the issue is this year for you?

Avesrun & Handyman315, thanks. I'll be using the SREHs this year for sure. I need to start trapping Starlings and Sparrows, but that involves buying or building traps, and my build list is backed up and the Purple Martin money well is dry (according to my wife). I've cashed in all my chips for the pole and house, so maybe next year.

I've got another question if someone knows the answer...

I plan on playing the Martin Dawn Song from 4-6 and the Daytime Chatter from 6-12, all on my patio speakers (see picture). Unfortunately the speakers face down. If standing on the patio and at full volume, it would be like standing right next to a swarm of martins. It's not painfully loud, but it's more than you would want for 30 minutes. Once you step away from under the patio though, it starts to diminish. I walked around the other side of the house. I could still hear it, but it was pretty soft. Is this going to work, or do I need to mount a loud speaker facing up? I mean, birds have good hearing, right? They'd hear it easily if they perched on the house, but 100 feet in the air? I don't know.

Any advice?
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Okie
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Location: Claremore, OK
Martin Colony History: 2016 Informed landlord now Have 2 pair returning from 2015 That is a miracle. Hoping for a very successful year, sparrow population on decline.
First house was plastic with crescent holes Had martins within a few days. Ignorant landlord gradually lost them
Then got Trio House and still lost most of them. Lots of sparrows

Changing the subject a bit, what kind of tree did you plant? What is the mature height of that tree? It looks close to the PM house. Might be an issue, might not.
Okie
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2016 Started with 2 pair, 1 pair abandoned after HOSP destroyed eggs
1 pair= 6 eggs, 6 fledged
2017 1 pair so far, But they abandoned before nest complete for ?reason? Now Bridless and joined the Wannabes
2018 One pair ASY male SY female 5 eggs, 5 fledged
Jangles
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Joined: Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:26 am
Location: Northeast Houston, TX

It's a Texas Mountain Laurel. They grow incredibly slowly, and should reach a mature height of around 15 feet. It won't be a problem for a while, if then, but I didn't have many options. That corner was the most open and the furthest from my house, which unfortunately happens to be only 25 feet away. My plan is to establish a Martin colony in the next 5 years, then move it more to the center in the back yard if I can.
2016 - First attempted year as landlord. homemade T-14 on custom pole with winch. Fingers crossed.
Okie
Posts: 541
Joined: Mon Apr 11, 2016 3:26 pm
Location: Claremore, OK
Martin Colony History: 2016 Informed landlord now Have 2 pair returning from 2015 That is a miracle. Hoping for a very successful year, sparrow population on decline.
First house was plastic with crescent holes Had martins within a few days. Ignorant landlord gradually lost them
Then got Trio House and still lost most of them. Lots of sparrows

Good plan
Okie
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2016 Started with 2 pair, 1 pair abandoned after HOSP destroyed eggs
1 pair= 6 eggs, 6 fledged
2017 1 pair so far, But they abandoned before nest complete for ?reason? Now Bridless and joined the Wannabes
2018 One pair ASY male SY female 5 eggs, 5 fledged
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