Visitors but none have stayed. What's up with that?

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clivia98
Posts: 115
Joined: Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:14 am
Location: Raceland, Louisiana

Hi all,

So far I have had visiting ASY males and females. Some have landed and checked out the houses and others simply flew over and circled then left. I checked the houses today and there is no sign that the birds stayed over or even entered. This year I've put in nest trays (so that's new) and I put in a nice pine needle bed with the hopes of making it very attractive. Last year I had only one house with 8 compartments and it was full. I had a lot of success so I decided to put up another exact same house this year making it two with 8 compartments each. Last year it was around this time that I had my first visitors and eventually residents. Can I expect the same this year? I'm hoping they return and bring their friends. It just seems like that with all the visitors I would have at least some stay. Has anyone experience this before?

Jerry :grin:
Conrad Baker
Posts: 756
Joined: Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:43 pm
Location: Paulina, Louisiana

I have lots of activity too. Seems like some are staying, and some are moving on. I think these early arrivals might continue moving on, and that they are just stopping by for the night. Hard to tell for sure, but I'm sure they will settle down, and eventually some permanent residents will move in. Stay patient, and sooner or later you will have some permanent residents if you don't already. Sounds like you prepared the housing well, so now it's up to the birds. I am getting a little anxious too, but I'm sure all will be well when things settle down. It's still very early in the Martin season, and we have a long way to go with lots of birds that haven't made it to us yet.
flyin-lowe
Posts: 3789
Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:49 am
Location: Indiana/Henry Co.

How many pair did you have last year and in past years? If you just had a couple pair and your colony is young there is no guarantee that the martins you had last year will make it back. So you could just be seeing visitors passing through. At my old colony almost every year when my first martins would return I would see them for a day or so and then they would disappear for a couple days and then come back. It was also not uncommon at all for them to hang around some during the day and then go elsewhere to spend the night in the beginning.
2026 HOSP 27
2025 62 pair HOSP 20
2024 60 pair, HOSP 44
2023 60+ pair, HOSP 8
2022 60 nests with 262 eggs, HOSP 14
2021 62 pair, HOSP 9
2020 42 nest, HOSP 8
2019- 31 pair
2018- 15 pair 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair, 12 eggs , fledged 10. 4 additional lone SY's
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair 14 fledged.
C.C.Martins
Posts: 3368
Joined: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:15 am
Location: Corpus Christi Tx
Martin Colony History: 2016- Visitors.
2017- 5 pair. 15 fledged
2018- 18 pair. 85 fledged
2019- 17 pair. 81 fledged
2020- 25 pair. 111 fledged
2021- 28 pair. 118 fledged
2022- 33 pair. 151 fledged
2023- 33 pair. 165 fledged
2024- 40 pair. 185 fledged
2025- 40 pair. 181 fledged
HOSP:
Home colony: mix natural, super, Troyer and excluder gourds, enlarged compartment house. All SREH.

Satellite colony: Oso Bay Preserve: 49 PMCA excluder gourds; 16 room Lonestar Goliad with Modified Excluder entrances.
2019: Visitors
2020: 3 pair, 11 fledged
2021: 10 pair, 30 fledged
2022: 11 pair, 35 fledged
2023: 18 pair, 101 fledged
2024: 39 pair, 181 fledged
2025: 51 pair, 216 fledged
PMCA member

You have done everything right, enlarged compartments, proper nesting and even duplicated the house so they dont see something they dont recognise, all correct.
Id recomend patients, its very early and it sounds like the birds uou have had come by arent bonded to the site or if they are your last yesrs birds they are staying the night somewhere else they feel safer at. Not because of any deficiencies but because they just returned from their communal roosts in the Amazon and they are still in that mode. I dont know your set up so forgive me but in the mean time id recomend you look around the site for tree linbs you can trim out to make the whole place attractive. I call it the bubble of compliance, sort of a holistic view of the entire area. A birds eye view so to speak, haha. Its tough to see them come and go but thats what they do. Just my two cents. Keep at it and dont second guess yoursefl, you are doing good!
Tom
A good house sparrow is a dead house sparrow.
HOSP: 17. Starlings: 23
Emil Pampell-Tx
Posts: 6743
Joined: Tue Nov 11, 2003 1:26 pm
Location: Tx, Richmond (SW of Houston)
Martin Colony History: First started in Gretna, La in 1969 with a small homemade house, have had martins ever since at 2 different homes in Texas

When humans go out looking to buy a home, they seldom buy the first house that they look at. Birds are much the same. They go to the places that they like best
The first and most important thing that martins like is wide open spaces. They do NOT like to nest in places where the trees are too close to the housing. I lived in Louisiana, and I know that martins are plentiful, so the place to start is to eliminate some nearby trees. Good luck.
PMCA Member, 250 gourds, 6 poles, 2traps
maxxwlf
Posts: 5
Joined: Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:05 pm
Location: Knob Noster, Missouri

If you had a "full 8-room house" last year, then chances are excellent that you'll refill that house again this year. The birds you see coming and then leaving are probably on their way northward to their original nesting sites. I have the same happen here in MO, both at the beginning, and at the end of the season. It's normal. It's early in the season, so my advise is to give it some time and you should start to see PM's from your area settling down and sticking around to nest.
clivia98
Posts: 115
Joined: Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:14 am
Location: Raceland, Louisiana

Thanks everyone. Very relieved. :grin:
Robert
Posts: 67
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:49 am
Location: Columbia , South Carolina

Jerry congrats on your PMs return I don’t believe you have anything to worry about you had a full house last year they will be back , sometimes some early arrivals may be from a different colony they stop off for awhile and rest before continuing on their migration.
Robert , South Carolina
PMCA member
40 year PM landlord
2018 season
21 pairs 107 eggs 99 fledged
2019 season
23 pairs 122 eggs 105 fledged
2020 season
23 pairs 122 eggs 72 fledged
2021
James Strickland FL
Posts: 2249
Joined: Thu Nov 13, 2003 8:04 pm
Location: Reidsville NC
Martin Colony History: 2017 Had a lot visitors no Matins nesting, hoping 2018 will be different.
2018 Had 1 pair
2019 had 30 pair

I have had it happen for just about every year that the Martins would come in go into the gourds and when night time would come they would leave. I would have to agree that they come form living in flocks in South American and they are not in the mood for love just yet. Give it time.
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tor
Posts: 279
Joined: Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:35 pm
Location: Marlboro County, SC
Martin Colony History: 2025 Capacity: 96
72 Hor / Vert Troyers on 3 X Super-24's.
24 Hor Troyers on Gemini-24.

2026: We'll see.
2025: 92 pair - Fledge: 405
2024: 72 pair - Fledge: 356
2023: 72 pair - Fledge: 342
2022: 72 pair - Fledge: 322
2021: 71 pair - Fledge: 325
2020: 72 pair - Fledge: 336
2019: 70 pair - Fledge: 320
2018: 60 pair - Fledge: 297
2017: 36 pair - Fledge: 189
2016: 16 pair - Fledge: 79
2015: 4 pair - Fledge: 21

Jerry,

Early scouts (even returning birds from your colony from last year) can and will leave the site for hours and even days at a time. This is normal behavior. I wouldn't worry too much this early.

Good Luck with your season.
Tor
Marlboro County
South Carolina

Purple Martins Of South Carolina
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