New housing and location for year 12 trying

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Ryan
Posts: 308
Joined: Sat Apr 15, 2006 4:19 pm
Location: Eganville, Ontario
Martin Colony History: Visitors are rare. On the northern edge of the martins range.

Into prime time up north here with really only a couple weeks left to get my site noticed by a SY martin. I can't believe it's going on 12 years. I've never lived at a house that was open enough to have housing, always too treed, so over the years I've scattered 4 houses across the county in open areas, and all to no luck yet. Sidebar, there are very few martins up here. They used to be common in the 70's. My closest colony is a small one maybe 6-8 pair 27 miles northwest of me. There is a large one with 100 pairs 75 miles East, nothing south for at least 50 miles, and West is worse with forest and hills with no colonies for at least 80 miles. It's slim pickings and flyovers are extremely rare.

We moved to a new spot last summer and honestly the land is great but my #1 bonus with it was that I knew it would be prime purple martin space. A chainsaw helped open it up, and now I finally have a martin house on my property. It's a lot better to be able to monitor a site when you live there. I believe this location checks all boxes. Distance from trees, open flyways, distance to human housing, proximity to water.

I still have to landscape and get a lawn going, but I did get the chalets and natural gourds up a couple weeks ago. No visitors yet, but this one is only about 500 yards from my other housing site that I have seen one SY male visit each of the last 3 seasons. (I have only seen 5 SY males in 12 years total, like I said they are scarce). The dawnsong plays 5am to 7 pm daily and has for a decade. I have worn out one power horn speaker already, onto my second one.

I have 6 cedar chalets and I managed to get 6 decent gourds grown last year and have them up with tunnels. Two realistic weeks left up here.

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2010- 1 SY male on and off for a couple weeks
'11- 0 visits
12- 0 visits
13- 0 visits
14- 1 SY male stopped by over 2 weeks.
15- 0 visits
16- 0 visits
17- 0 visits
18- 0 visits
19- Break-through year. Had a SY Male stop in on June 7th and stay all day, every day until end of June
20 - The male didn't return. I did see a SY male do a few flyovers.
21- a couple brief visits
22-3rd rack added, all within a mile. This one at prime location, 0 visits
23- 0 visits
jhcox
Posts: 801
Joined: Thu May 26, 2016 9:23 am
Location: tennesse
Martin Colony History: Started colony in 2014. 0 pairs
2015 0 pairs
2016 0 pairs
2017 0 pairs but visitors
2018 1 pair fledged 5
2019 10 pair
2020 25 pair
2021 42 Pair
2022 60 Pair
2023 72 Pair
2024 74 pair
2025 78 pair

Don’t forget Ryan there is also the fall when birds migrate south for the winter they may stop and stay over night to rest there or just see it and like it. They could come back to your site next year to start your colony. Good luck
white-out
Posts: 150
Joined: Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:21 am
Location: ohio

I would trap a hundred down south and turn them loose at home. No bird or human would leave that place! Very nice and good luck!
Ryan
Posts: 308
Joined: Sat Apr 15, 2006 4:19 pm
Location: Eganville, Ontario
Martin Colony History: Visitors are rare. On the northern edge of the martins range.

jhcox wrote:
Mon Jun 06, 2022 2:11 pm
Don’t forget Ryan there is also the fall when birds migrate south for the winter they may stop and stay over night to rest there or just see it and like it. They could come back to your site next year to start your colony. Good luck
Yes, thanks. I've been playing dawnsong/chatter right through the season the last couple years. But, being on the northern range, there's so few flyovers south during migration.
2010- 1 SY male on and off for a couple weeks
'11- 0 visits
12- 0 visits
13- 0 visits
14- 1 SY male stopped by over 2 weeks.
15- 0 visits
16- 0 visits
17- 0 visits
18- 0 visits
19- Break-through year. Had a SY Male stop in on June 7th and stay all day, every day until end of June
20 - The male didn't return. I did see a SY male do a few flyovers.
21- a couple brief visits
22-3rd rack added, all within a mile. This one at prime location, 0 visits
23- 0 visits
Jones4381
Posts: 830
Joined: Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:54 pm
Location: Southwestern VA
Martin Colony History: 2020- 0
2021- 1 pair-5
2022- 5 pair-20
2023 34 pair-44
2024 30 pair-122
2025 54 Pair -178

Wow...Absolutely beautiful. the land, lake, and housing are spectacular...Sending you good vibes and thanks for sharing the photos...I hope they select you as yours is one of the best set ups I've seen.
"Be content with what you have; rejoice in the way things are. When you realize there is nothing lacking, the whole world belongs to you." - Lao Tzu
randyM
Posts: 254
Joined: Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:30 pm
Location: Long Lake SD
Martin Colony History: * 2016 - 1 pair (ASYM + SYF) 2/3 eggs hatched 2 young fledged.
* 2017 - 4 pairs, 16/17 eggs hatched, 16 fledged, 16 banded - 2 banded SY returned in 2018 (12.5%)
* 2018 - 10 pairs, 46/52 eggs hatched, 45 fledged, 29 young banded - 3 banded SY returned in 2019 (10.3%)
*2019 - 32 pairs, 145/160 eggs hatched, 139 fledged - 87 young banded - 12 banded SY returned in 2020 (13.8%).
* 2020 - 35 pairs, 180/199 eggs hatched, 178 fledged - 150 young banded & 42 SY returned (28.0%)
* 2021 - 89 pairs, 363/446 eggs hatched, 355 fledged - 150 young banded & 19 SY returned (12.7%)
*2022 - 116 pairs, 495/579 eggs hatched, 471 fledged - 150 young banded & 27 SY returned (18.0%)
*2023 - 160 pairs, 708/828 eggs hatched, 572 fledged - 150 young banded & 38 SY returned (25.3%)
*2024 - 235 pairs, 950/1153 eggs hatched, 865 fledged - 100 young banded & 18 SY returned (18.0%)
*2025 - 200 pairs, 795/953 eggs hatched, 739 fledged - 200 young banded

Very nice looking site! If any birds stop by they should stay as it appears they have all they need for successful reproduction. I'd suggest you play the dawn song or daytime chatter CD each year through early September. Young of the year martins and adult martins that were unsuccessful at nesting range far and wide exploring before their migration southward. A few young of the year banded at my colony were spotted 200 miles NE of my site a month after they fledged. So you don't necessarily have to have birds migrating from the north to discover your site. You have colonies within 100 miles, so keep playing the CD in case some fall traffic passes overhead. I play the chatter CD in the fall and have had up to 30 visitors stop by in Sept., well after resident birds had departed my colony. Nearest active colony to my site is 25 miles. Best of luck to you!

Randy
dsonyay
Posts: 1677
Joined: Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:10 pm
Location: Louisiana/Broussard
Martin Colony History: 2010-2014 located in Slidell LA. Gourd rack with 16 gourds. Max of 2 pairs during this short period in Slidell. Plenty of fledglings.

2014-present.. moved to Broussard LA. Same Gourd Rack but added a 6 room house (modified from a 12 room)

2020: after a long drought of nothing, 4 pairs and 4 nests, 23 eggs total.
6 fledges.

2021: 9 pair, 47 eggs
36 hatchlings
30 fledged

2022: about 12 pairs.. many eggs, all fledged.. only had one hatchling die.. probably because of our schnauzer. :(

2023: 16 pairs. So far about 60 chicks with about a dozen eggs to go.

2024: 13 pair. About 60 eggs
2025: 14 pairs .. 69 eggs.

Those houses are perfect. Too perfect. Try leaning them at an odd angle.. stuff a cavity or two with weeds, feathers, and bits of plastic, and finally place a couple of plastic house sparrows on the rack somewhere,,, bonus would be to pull the roof off of one or two cavities. Martins seem to love that.

I’m kidding of course.. but i find it crazy how some people’s highly neglected setups, will attract plenty martins, while a few houses down the perfect rack and treeless area is ignored. Such is life.

I went about 5 years in the same boat as you after moving to a new town a couple hours away. Sooner or later you’ll hit the 777 on the slot machine
Matt F.
Posts: 3978
Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:48 am
Location: Houston, TX

Hi Ryan,
Lots of us have been pulling for you for years!
Have you been aware of any activity on the North Star you put up in that neighboring town, or the chalets you put up there in downtown Eganville?
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Dave Reynolds
Posts: 2442
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:35 pm
Location: Little Hocking, Oh.
Martin Colony History: Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”..
2018 - 15 Pair, 36 Fledged
2019 - 26 Pair, 97 Fledged
2020 - 30 Pair, 137 Fledged
2021 - 30 Pair, 144 Fledged
2022 - 27 Pair, 125 Fledged
2023 - 31 Pair, 130 Fledged
2024 - 41 Pair, 198 Fledged
2025 - 44 Pair, 168 Fledged

Home Site "Little Hocking, Ohio".
2019 - 1 Pair, 5 Fledged
2020 - 1 Pair, 4 Fledged
2021 - 8 Pair, 36 Fledged
2022 - 13 Pair, 46 Fledged
2023 - 16 Pair, 84 Fledged
2024 - 22 Pair, 104 Fledged
2025 - 28 Pair, 83 Fledged

.. Great looking House ... Good looking wide open space... If you are havlng some visitors, your doing something.. Were pulling for ya, Good luck the rest of the season..

Dave
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Little Hocking, Ohio
Martintown33
Posts: 1366
Joined: Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:21 pm
Location: Laplace,La
Martin Colony History: Colony started in 1998. 2 s&k modified houses and gourd rack

Hi Ryan., that is a great setup and site! Wishing you luck!
Rob
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Laplace, La
Martintown33
Posts: 1366
Joined: Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:21 pm
Location: Laplace,La
Martin Colony History: Colony started in 1998. 2 s&k modified houses and gourd rack

Hey dsonyay.. your post brought back memories.. so true and funny about martins and ragged out housing.. 22 years ago, right before I started my colony… my neighbor had a 20 year colony. His house was an old plywood house that he had mounted on top of a creosote telephone pole. Don’t ask me how he got it up there! Lol.. anyway, the house had been rotting away for years. Half the roof was gone and the walls were falling apart. A nearby elm tree had completely engulfed the house.. and yet , every year, I would watch in amazement, as the martins would return and nest in that crumbling house. I already had a basic knowledge of martins, as my dad and uncle had colonies when I was growing up, so I marveled at their site fidelity! Then 22 years ago, a late season hurricane blew that telephone pole and Martin house down. That following December I asked him if he was going to put up another Martin house. He said no, he was getting too old for that. So I thought, this is my chance!!! I knew they would be coming back and looking for housing.. I bought 2 houses and put them up. In late January, the first of his martins returned. They circled and squawked looking for their house for 1/2 the day. Then as I watched, the first male came over to my housing, about 40 yards away. Soon the others followed.., 2 weeks later, his whole colony had completely moved into my housing. I had an instant 12 pair colony on my first attempt. I was so fortunate… I nurtured them and my new colony grew from there, as I added more compartments.
...I feel for and admire the noble efforts of all the beginning landlords on here, starting up their colonies.. it’s a great thing y’all are doing to want to help these interesting and entertaining birds.. I hope that all of you are successful and your great efforts pay off!
Good luck to you,
Rob
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Laplace, La
Ryan
Posts: 308
Joined: Sat Apr 15, 2006 4:19 pm
Location: Eganville, Ontario
Martin Colony History: Visitors are rare. On the northern edge of the martins range.

Thanks everyone. Yes, the goal now is to attract as many visitors as possible, I'm now comfortable with my site. I only see maybe one a year though, so that's an issue. Not sure how to increase that, there's just very few up here. I play the dawnsong a little louder than the real birds. For a couple years I played it very loud and I think it scared them off because I didn't see any for a couple years and wasn't around all the time to turn down the sound if any showed up. I certainly think now that there's a sweet spot in dawnsong loudness. There's a thing as too loud.

I have decoys, pre-nests, mirrors and mud so I think I just have to wait. Not much else to do.

Matt F. wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:07 pm
Hi Ryan,
Lots of us have been pulling for you for years!
Have you been aware of any activity on the North Star you put up in that neighboring town, or the chalets you put up there in downtown Eganville?
You have a good memory, ha. Surprisingly I have never seen a martin at that housing and I do drive past that a few times a day and work close. I think some day it will be a good location to educate people. It's right down town and in view of many and they just opened a roof top restaurant 50 yards from it. It has potential. I thought it might be the first site to get martins but it hasn't been found. I can't play the dawnsong there though which is probably the reason it's be quiet on visitors.

Here's an old picture of that one, but good memory. That must be up now for 6-7 years.

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2010- 1 SY male on and off for a couple weeks
'11- 0 visits
12- 0 visits
13- 0 visits
14- 1 SY male stopped by over 2 weeks.
15- 0 visits
16- 0 visits
17- 0 visits
18- 0 visits
19- Break-through year. Had a SY Male stop in on June 7th and stay all day, every day until end of June
20 - The male didn't return. I did see a SY male do a few flyovers.
21- a couple brief visits
22-3rd rack added, all within a mile. This one at prime location, 0 visits
23- 0 visits
Ryan
Posts: 308
Joined: Sat Apr 15, 2006 4:19 pm
Location: Eganville, Ontario
Martin Colony History: Visitors are rare. On the northern edge of the martins range.

randyM wrote:
Thu Jun 09, 2022 11:41 pm
A few young of the year banded at my colony were spotted 200 miles NE of my site a month after they fledged.

Randy
This is really good info, thanks.

There's been so much research done on martins movement in migration and wintering season, but I haven't seen much tracking done on martins in their breeding season.

For people trying to attract, I'd love to see how far feeding and breeding pairs travel in the summer, especially after nesting. Mostly I'd love to see how far those non breeding single males and those hatch year martins cruise around during the season.

Your story is exactly that. I haven't seen much studying done on summer movement of martins but maybe I haven't found any key articles. Your 200 mile travel is interesting. I've never seen a martin after June here, but I'll keep praying attraction audio into late summer.
2010- 1 SY male on and off for a couple weeks
'11- 0 visits
12- 0 visits
13- 0 visits
14- 1 SY male stopped by over 2 weeks.
15- 0 visits
16- 0 visits
17- 0 visits
18- 0 visits
19- Break-through year. Had a SY Male stop in on June 7th and stay all day, every day until end of June
20 - The male didn't return. I did see a SY male do a few flyovers.
21- a couple brief visits
22-3rd rack added, all within a mile. This one at prime location, 0 visits
23- 0 visits
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