Nest replacement schedule and blow flies

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Ed Svetich-WI
Posts: 815
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:05 pm
Location: Brooks, Wi (McGinnis Lake)
Martin Colony History: 24 Super and Excluder Gourds on two gourd racks, all SREH. Full occupancy. My philosophy is to maximize fledge % with existing cavities rather than adding gourds to grow colony, thus providing opportunities for new colony expansion. Fledge over 100 nestlings yearly from 24 gourds. Band nestlings in cooperation with state university. 2019 Adendum: Reduced colony size to 12 gourds to focus on more intensive management regimen.

I have hosted a martin colony for over 20 years in Central Wisconsin. Coming from a scientific background, I make frequent observations and keep copious records regarding my colonies ups and downs. I have reduced my colony to 12 commercial gourds and have 100% occupancy every year. I am down from 30 cavities and and do not advocate large colonies due to management challenges.

As challenging as it was for me to attract that first martin. I was determined to protect them. This was prior to starling resistant entries. Fortunately, starlings are no longer a threat so I focused on other issues.. As I kept almost daily records, I made tweaks to my colony management constantly. To make a long story short, I adopted nest replacements early. Again, I had a smaller colony of 30 gourds and then 24 but I was determined to not only house martins but to produce as many martins as possible. In the colony data 2012 - 2019, 173 pair fledged 865 young. Since no one can guarantee hatching, I record these metrics: the egg to fledged was 92.38% and actual hatched to fledged was 97.7% . Data from 12 pair in 2023 was 69 eggs laid, 62 eggs hatched with 61 nestling fledging for a success rate of 98%.

As blow flies are the main vermin predating martins here, I began to make nest replacements once during the nesting period. I recorded any blow fly larvae found, and I found concerning numbers. Beginning in 2012, I began intensive nest replacement. After seeing blow fly maggots impacting nestling at about day 8 when nestling were still very vulnerable, I chose to change nests on day 7, day 14 and day 20.Today, I made my ninth colony nest replacement (day 7 with 4 nestlings) and noted a small spot of blood on one naked nestling. I collect the soiled nest material in a wheelbarrow and found a dozen blow fly larvae.

The next scheduled nest replacements will occur on day 14 of the 12 occupied nests. Any blow fly larvae found then will be removed with the now soiled nest. Day 20 ditto. Why does this have value? With a 7 day interval, any new blow fly eggs deposited will have little time to develop and attack the now more robust nestling who may be better able to survive the feeding of the blood sucking larvae. I propose that a naked martin nestling is more vulnerable to losing blood from an unknown number of fly maggots. As the nestling mature, they are less vulnerable.

After communication with a PhD who actually studies blow flies years ago, He suggested that rather than destroying infected nests that I should just use the material for mulch. It seems that even blow flies are predated by small wasps who lay eggs within the blow fly larvae. By allowing the larvae to pupae, these wasps can develop and go on to help keep the blow flies under some control.

As I now manage 12 gourds my schedule requires 36 nest replacements. You may be shaking your head about now. If you would do even one nest replacement on day 7 on each nest in your colony, you may produce more martins because you broke the cycle of blood letting on defenseless nestling. Give it a try. Maximizing the numbers of martins from your colony is one way to help other wanna be martin landlords.

Have a productive martin year.

Ed
Mstan
Posts: 162
Joined: Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:52 pm
Location: Missouri
Martin Colony History: 2023- 2 racks. 24 gourds
2024- 2 racks.28 gourds. 100 fledged
2025- 3 racks. 24 gourds,6 chirpy nest.105 fledged.

Ed, I appreciate everything you wrote. I enjoy watching and listening to the martins but ultimately the goal is successful fledging to populate the martins. You make a good point how this will benefit other future landlords. Thank you.
Stan
Jones4381
Posts: 830
Joined: Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:54 pm
Location: Southwestern VA
Martin Colony History: 2020- 0
2021- 1 pair-5
2022- 5 pair-20
2023 34 pair-44
2024 30 pair-122
2025 54 Pair -178

Ed Svetich-WI wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:14 pm
I have hosted a martin colony for over 20 years in Central Wisconsin. Coming from a scientific background, I make frequent observations and keep copious records regarding my colonies ups and downs. I have reduced my colony to 12 commercial gourds and have 100% occupancy every year. I am down from 30 cavities and and do not advocate large colonies due to management challenges.

As challenging as it was for me to attract that first martin. I was determined to protect them. This was prior to starling resistant entries. Fortunately, starlings are no longer a threat so I focused on other issues.. As I kept almost daily records, I made tweaks to my colony management constantly. To make a long story short, I adopted nest replacements early. Again, I had a smaller colony of 30 gourds and then 24 but I was determined to not only house martins but to produce as many martins as possible. In the colony data 2012 - 2019, 173 pair fledged 865 young. Since no one can guarantee hatching, I record these metrics: the egg to fledged was 92.38% and actual hatched to fledged was 97.7% . Data from 12 pair in 2023 was 69 eggs laid, 62 eggs hatched with 61 nestling fledging for a success rate of 98%.

As blow flies are the main vermin predating martins here, I began to make nest replacements once during the nesting period. I recorded any blow fly larvae found, and I found concerning numbers. Beginning in 2012, I began intensive nest replacement. After seeing blow fly maggots impacting nestling at about day 8 when nestling were still very vulnerable, I chose to change nests on day 7, day 14 and day 20.Today, I made my ninth colony nest replacement (day 7 with 4 nestlings) and noted a small spot of blood on one naked nestling. I collect the soiled nest material in a wheelbarrow and found a dozen blow fly larvae.

The next scheduled nest replacements will occur on day 14 of the 12 occupied nests. Any blow fly larvae found then will be removed with the now soiled nest. Day 20 ditto. Why does this have value? With a 7 day interval, any new blow fly eggs deposited will have little time to develop and attack the now more robust nestling who may be better able to survive the feeding of the blood sucking larvae. I propose that a naked martin nestling is more vulnerable to losing blood from an unknown number of fly maggots. As the nestling mature, they are less vulnerable.

After communication with a PhD who actually studies blow flies years ago, He suggested that rather than destroying infected nests that I should just use the material for mulch. It seems that even blow flies are predated by small wasps who lay eggs within the blow fly larvae. By allowing the larvae to pupae, these wasps can develop and go on to help keep the blow flies under some control.

As I now manage 12 gourds my schedule requires 36 nest replacements. You may be shaking your head about now. If you would do even one nest replacement on day 7 on each nest in your colony, you may produce more martins because you broke the cycle of blood letting on defenseless nestling. Give it a try. Maximizing the numbers of martins from your colony is one way to help other wanna be martin landlords.

Have a productive martin year.

Ed
Excellent. Do you do nest changes without any blowfly presence as a preventative maintenance schedule or only when you see their presence or markings on the young?
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Ed Svetich-WI
Posts: 815
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:05 pm
Location: Brooks, Wi (McGinnis Lake)
Martin Colony History: 24 Super and Excluder Gourds on two gourd racks, all SREH. Full occupancy. My philosophy is to maximize fledge % with existing cavities rather than adding gourds to grow colony, thus providing opportunities for new colony expansion. Fledge over 100 nestlings yearly from 24 gourds. Band nestlings in cooperation with state university. 2019 Adendum: Reduced colony size to 12 gourds to focus on more intensive management regimen.

Sorry for the delayed reply.

I replace all nest materials on day 7,14 and 20 even if I do not see evidence of predation. I am trying to break the life cycle of any vermin in the nest. As I remove the nestlings, it is easy to check for any mysterious wounds. A blood spot needs to be explained. Secondly, the maggots are somewhere in the nest material and rarely on a nestling in my experience. I have actually found a maggot attached only once. I do not know if the feeding takes place at night, but that is my guess. They apparently fall off once they have a blood meal only to again attach for their next meal.

I deposit all of the old nest in my metal wheelbarrow and any present blow fly larvae will be seen wiggling in the detritus. They are a dirty gray color and vary in size from tiny to about the size of a swollen watermelon seed., which shows that the fly continues to lay eggs rather than a one time thing. Can you imagine how much blood it takes to appear like a swollen seed? As you have seen if you do frequent nest checks, a seven day old nestling is naked and essentially a pink fat belly. They are totally susceptible to attack by these blood sucking maggots.

On my first series of nest replacements only one nest had blow fly larvae found. I could have missed some in other nests. If I did, they were still removed by changing the nest. As long as the nestlings are out of the nest, why not change it. It only takes a few minutes per cavity and you don't do all of them on one day. If you have records of hatch days, you know the ages of the nestlings in each cavity.

I hope this answered your question.

Have a productive season
Jones4381
Posts: 830
Joined: Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:54 pm
Location: Southwestern VA
Martin Colony History: 2020- 0
2021- 1 pair-5
2022- 5 pair-20
2023 34 pair-44
2024 30 pair-122
2025 54 Pair -178

Ed Svetich-WI wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2024 10:40 am
Sorry for the delayed reply.

I replace all nest materials on day 7,14 and 20 even if I do not see evidence of predation. I am trying to break the life cycle of any vermin in the nest. As I remove the nestlings, it is easy to check for any mysterious wounds. A blood spot needs to be explained. Secondly, the maggots are somewhere in the nest material and rarely on a nestling in my experience. I have actually found a maggot attached only once. I do not know if the feeding takes place at night, but that is my guess. They apparently fall off once they have a blood meal only to again attach for their next meal.

I deposit all of the old nest in my metal wheelbarrow and any present blow fly larvae will be seen wiggling in the detritus. They are a dirty gray color and vary in size from tiny to about the size of a swollen watermelon seed., which shows that the fly continues to lay eggs rather than a one time thing. Can you imagine how much blood it takes to appear like a swollen seed? As you have seen if you do frequent nest checks, a seven day old nestling is naked and essentially a pink fat belly. They are totally susceptible to attack by these blood sucking maggots.

On my first series of nest replacements only one nest had blow fly larvae found. I could have missed some in other nests. If I did, they were still removed by changing the nest. As long as the nestlings are out of the nest, why not change it. It only takes a few minutes per cavity and you don't do all of them on one day. If you have records of hatch days, you know the ages of the nestlings in each cavity.

I hope this answered your question.

Have a productive season
Thanks Ed and it did. Best wishes on an enjoyable season as well.
"Be content with what you have; rejoice in the way things are. When you realize there is nothing lacking, the whole world belongs to you." - Lao Tzu
Cloudwalker
Posts: 13
Joined: Thu Jun 16, 2016 1:52 pm
Location: Carroll, Iowa
Martin Colony History: I have had Martins for for about 34 years. I moved so I had to reestablish a colony. I did not keep good records but have fledged many birds over the years. I am passionate about Martins and love sharing and helping others enthusiasts!

I do nest replacements in Iowa because of mites. I use pine needles. I am interested in knowing what others use and if others do nest replacements for mites. I also wonder what people are using for replacement material. I have never seen blow fly larvae.
C.C.Martins
Posts: 3368
Joined: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:15 am
Location: Corpus Christi Tx
Martin Colony History: 2016- Visitors.
2017- 5 pair. 15 fledged
2018- 18 pair. 85 fledged
2019- 17 pair. 81 fledged
2020- 25 pair. 111 fledged
2021- 28 pair. 118 fledged
2022- 33 pair. 151 fledged
2023- 33 pair. 165 fledged
2024- 40 pair. 185 fledged
2025- 40 pair. 181 fledged
HOSP:
Home colony: mix natural, super, Troyer and excluder gourds, enlarged compartment house. All SREH.

Satellite colony: Oso Bay Preserve: 49 PMCA excluder gourds; 16 room Lonestar Goliad with Modified Excluder entrances.
2019: Visitors
2020: 3 pair, 11 fledged
2021: 10 pair, 30 fledged
2022: 11 pair, 35 fledged
2023: 18 pair, 101 fledged
2024: 39 pair, 181 fledged
2025: 51 pair, 216 fledged
PMCA member

Ed,
A well managed colony to be sure! Thanks God we don't have blow flies here. Understand they attack blue birds as well, imagine folks will do nest changes too.
Tom
A good house sparrow is a dead house sparrow.
HOSP: 17. Starlings: 23
Mstan
Posts: 162
Joined: Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:52 pm
Location: Missouri
Martin Colony History: 2023- 2 racks. 24 gourds
2024- 2 racks.28 gourds. 100 fledged
2025- 3 racks. 24 gourds,6 chirpy nest.105 fledged.

I do nest changes for mites here in Missouri. I also replace nest with pine needles. I started doing nest changes after fledging this year. My colony has remained active.
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