SY Question
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Larry D
- Posts: 18
- Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:20 pm
- Location: Texas/Weatherford
- Martin Colony History: 4 years trying
2015 -- FINALLY!! One pair, 4 fledged. We took a 2 week vacation to Alaska in May and returned to find our first pair!!
2016 - - 2 pair, 6 fledged
2017 - - 3 pair, 5 fledged
Will the "subadults" return to the area where they fledged BEFORE they start looking for a new home? What keeps them from stopping at the first suitable stopover on their return? It seems like they would never get up north!
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Indiana_Tom
- Posts: 288
- Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 10:01 am
- Location: Paragon, Indiana
Hey Larry D,
I am certianly no expert on this but I have read that a martin will return to the area where he/she fledged and almost all will nest within 50 miles of their original birth site.
I believe that info is in the archives somewhere.
Good luck this year
I am certianly no expert on this but I have read that a martin will return to the area where he/she fledged and almost all will nest within 50 miles of their original birth site.
I believe that info is in the archives somewhere.
Good luck this year
2009, 1 pair of SYs w/4 eggs - wait, no 4 babies and all 4 fledged. What a great experience.
2010, 2 ASY pair and 2 SY pair 18eggs / 14 fledged.
2011, 12 pair with 49 eggs, 43 fledged.
2012, 20 pair with 113 eggs as of 1 June
2013, 22 pair with 112 eggs as of 9 June
2014, 23 pair with 113 eggs
2010, 2 ASY pair and 2 SY pair 18eggs / 14 fledged.
2011, 12 pair with 49 eggs, 43 fledged.
2012, 20 pair with 113 eggs as of 1 June
2013, 22 pair with 112 eggs as of 9 June
2014, 23 pair with 113 eggs
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Tim Mangan-Kansas
- Posts: 1728
- Joined: Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:25 am
- Location: Kansas, Pittsburg
- Martin Colony History: 2016 - 22 Pair
Larry:
In 2008, I banded 127 nestlings at my colony, all of which fledged. In 2009, I observed only six of the 127 banded nestlings from 2008 return to their birth site. Of the six I observed, two stayed at my colony, nested and successfully fledged young.
If 40% of the 127 banded nestlings survived migration, there would be 50 banded nestlings returning as SY's in 2009. There is a strong site fidelity for martins to return to their nesting site where they successfully fledged young the previous year. As previous documentation has suggested, there does not appear to be a strong inherited trait for SY martins to return to their natal birth site.
Tim
In 2008, I banded 127 nestlings at my colony, all of which fledged. In 2009, I observed only six of the 127 banded nestlings from 2008 return to their birth site. Of the six I observed, two stayed at my colony, nested and successfully fledged young.
If 40% of the 127 banded nestlings survived migration, there would be 50 banded nestlings returning as SY's in 2009. There is a strong site fidelity for martins to return to their nesting site where they successfully fledged young the previous year. As previous documentation has suggested, there does not appear to be a strong inherited trait for SY martins to return to their natal birth site.
Tim
Licensed Bander
2015 - 14 Pair - fledged 68
2014 - Moved to Kansas - 7 Pair, 35 eggs, 28 fledged in first year
2010 Thru 2013 - Moved-Tried to start new colony
2009 - 46 pair, 217 eggs, 178 fledged
2015 - 14 Pair - fledged 68
2014 - Moved to Kansas - 7 Pair, 35 eggs, 28 fledged in first year
2010 Thru 2013 - Moved-Tried to start new colony
2009 - 46 pair, 217 eggs, 178 fledged
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KathyF
- Posts: 3522
- Joined: Thu May 24, 2007 1:57 pm
- Location: Missouri/Licking
- Martin Colony History: Colony started - 2007 with one pair
As of 2018 - 84 cavities offered, max # of pairs hosted - 82.
Hi Tim!! Haven't seen you on the forum for awhile - just sent you a message. 
Larry,
I've read somewhere on this forum that only 10 - 12% of the surviving SY's return to their natal site. As Tim points out, it's the 'surviving' SY's. I've also read that about 60% of them survive...
I guess I need to go find those sources again and bookmark them...it makes for really good reading.
Larry,
I've read somewhere on this forum that only 10 - 12% of the surviving SY's return to their natal site. As Tim points out, it's the 'surviving' SY's. I've also read that about 60% of them survive...
I guess I need to go find those sources again and bookmark them...it makes for really good reading.
"Sometimes", said Pooh, "the smallest things take up the most room in your heart."
2023 - 82 pair
2022 - 80 pair
2021 - 75 pair
2020 - 78 pair
2019 - 80 pair
http://kathyfreeze.blogspot.com
2023 - 82 pair
2022 - 80 pair
2021 - 75 pair
2020 - 78 pair
2019 - 80 pair
http://kathyfreeze.blogspot.com